did a little PHP but it wont work on my server, but it works on the server at work.. ekk@! i dunno if they support php 3 or 4 but i tried both and 4 seemed to do a bit better, but isnt doing the write funciton, i think it's cause I need to set the permissions the file to allow file creation on the fly.. but cuteftp wouldnt let me unless I register it. :PPPPPPPPP no thanks! can you use telnet to change the permmisions on a file? I never use telnet.. but I would think ya could if you can create directories.